Curse

Spangly_boy · Jun 18, 2008, 06:44 PM // 18:44

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Arena...eloper_Updates

[Dev Update] Skill Balance Changes - 18 June 2008
The primary goals of the balance updates made on June 12 were to round out PvE-targeted changes we made in the last update, to improve a few underpowered skills, and to address PvP play balance issues.

Some players have objected to changes in the last update to Ether Renewal and Shadow Form. We have not seen any actual negative impact from the Ether Renewal change, but we are still evaluating the high efficiency of Shadow Form farming builds. We will continue to monitor this issue and may make adjustments in the near future. Similarly, we know that the powerful Ursan Blessing is always the subject of much discussion. Some players feel it makes the game too easy while others think it is fun. We have not chosen to make any changes to Ursan Blessing at this time, but we will consider the matter as we move forward. Finally, we know there are continuing concerns about Wounding Strike from some PvP players, but we do not believe that changes to this skill are warranted at this time. We have, in this update, altered several other skills that are commonly used in conjunction with Wounding Strike in GvG. We will observe the consequences of these changes before revisiting the Wounding Strike issue.

PvE and PvP

Most of these changes improve existing skills. A few are power reductions that are not expected to be detrimental to PvE play. Three skills (Soul Bind, Rust, and Lightning Touch) are having their core function changed to make them more useful outside of niche circumstances. The following skills will change in both PvE and PvP:

Mesmer

Drain Enchantment: increased Energy gained to 8..17.

Drain Delusions: increased multiplier for Energy gained to 4; increased recharge to 12 seconds.

Wastrel's Worry: increased damage to 20..100.

The goal in changing Drain Enchantment and Drain Delusions was to provide better Energy management options for Mesmers without giving defensive characters a significant boost in Energy management options. Wastrel’s Worry is interesting in that it provides psychological pressure while also giving recastable, non-spike damage to Mesmers. The numbers before made it a bit weak, so we've increased its power to make it more attractive.

Necromancer

Fetid Ground: decreased Energy cost to 5.

Suffering: increased Health degeneration to -1..3.

Vile Miasma: increased Health degeneration to -1..5.

Soul Bind: decreased casting time to 1 second; functionality changed to: "For 30 seconds, every time target foe is healed, the healer takes 20..80 damage. This hex ends if target is suffering from a Smiting Prayers hex."

In recent months, we've seen a trend toward GvG teams with more consistent offensive power. Unfortunately, teams that rely on physical damage seem to be outshining others. To allow for more diversity, we've improved Suffering and Vile Miasma to increase the damage output of hexes. We've also tried to improve Fetid Ground as an option for dealing damage and spreading Poison. Because Health degeneration can be countered with strong party-wide healing, we've altered Soul Bind so that it can be used to reduce the efficiency of party-wide healing.

Elementalist

Rust: increased Energy cost to 10; decreased casting time to 1 second; functionality changed to: "Deals 10..70 cold damage. For 5..20 seconds, target foe and all adjacent foes take twice as long to activate signets."

Lightning Touch: functionality changed to: "Target touched foe and all adjacent foes are struck for 10..60 lightning damage. Foes suffering from a Water Magic hex are Blinded for 3..8 seconds. This skill has 25% armor penetration."

Arc Lightning: increased conditional damage to 15..75.

The prevalence of signet Mesmers in PvP caused us to review signet counters. We looked for opportunities to improve these skills without creating absolute counters that would completely eliminate the viability of signet Mesmers. With that in mind, Rust now does damage (making it generally more useful) but its effect on signet activation times is also reduced. Lightning Touch and Arc Lightning were improved to be more viable options for Elementalists using more than one attribute line.

Monk

Strength of Honor: increased recharge to 15 seconds.
Holy Wrath: increased recharge to 10 seconds.
Aura of Stability: decreased duration to 3..8 seconds.
Balthazar's Pendulum: decreased duration to 5..10 seconds.
Strength of Honor and Holy Wrath have seen more and more competitive play. With no recharge time, they were too easy to recast after removal, effectively eliminating the enchantment removal as a way to combat these skills. Adding some recharge time should address this issue. Aura of Stability and Balthazar’s Pendulum were too effective at stopping knockdowns; we reduced their durations to encourage more active use.

Warrior

Bull's Charge: increased movement speed to +33%.
"Charge!": increased duration to 5..13 seconds.
Symbolic Strike: increased conditional damage to 12.
Recently, there has been a strong trend against sword use in GvG. Swords have always been a unique weapon in Guild Wars because they can do lethal damage without an elite skill. By improving Warrior elites with unique abilities (area-of-effect speed boost, and speed boost with knockdown, respectively), we hope to make swords a more viable choice again. Symbolic Strike has been improved to give players more options for dealing sword damage and to encourage synergy with Warrior signets.

Ranger

Antidote Signet: functionality changed to: "Cleanse yourself of Poison, Disease, Blindness, and one additional condition."
Barbed Arrows: increased duration to 24 seconds; removed easily interruptible; you now have -40 armor while activating this skill.
Antidote Signet's specific condition removal has traditionally limited its appeal. To improve its versatility and overall effectiveness, we've added the ability to remove an additional condition of any type. This should also ease the pressure to take Monk as a secondary profession just for Mending Touch. Bleeding has always been intended as a secondary condition for Rangers, not as easy to spread as Poison and Crippling. The drawbacks on Barbed Arrows were far too severe for the skill to receive serious consideration, so it is now easier to use.

Paragon

"Can't Touch This!": decreased Energy cost to 5.
Barbed Spear: increased Bleeding duration to 5..20 seconds.
Bleeding is typically a condition with a longer duration, but the Bleeding inflicted by Barbed Spear was too short to easily spread it around. We've remedied this by increasing the Bleeding duration. "Can't Touch This!" is a very specific counter which did not warrant its higher Energy cost. We've reduced that cost to compensate.

PvE Changes

improvements here are appropriate for PvE but would not benefit PvP play balance. The following skills will change in PvE:

Mesmer

Energy Drain: increased multiplier for Energy gained to 3.

Energy denial is not typically a good strategy in PvE, so our recent changes to Energy Drain have been aimed at providing better Energy management for the caster. The previous change did not go far enough in this regard. This change should more clearly accomplish our goals.

Dervish

Mystic Regeneration: decreased recharge to 5 seconds; increased the maximum number of enchantments counted to 8.

The past changes for Mystic Regeneration were based on PvP play balance needs. Because those changes were neither necessary nor beneficial for PvE, we are reverting this skill to its older, more powerful state.

PvP Changes

The significant power reductions here are important to address current PvP play balance but are not necessary for PvE. The following skills will change in PvP:

Mesmer

Mantra of Inscriptions: decreased signet recharge reduction to 5..35%

We've altered this skill to slow down damage, Signet of Humility usage, and knockdowns coming from signet Mesmers in GvG.

Warrior

"For Great Justice!": functionality changed to: "For 20 seconds, when you hit with an attack, you gain 1 additional strike of adrenaline."

When used with other adrenaline-gaining skills, “For Great Justice!” provided enough adrenaline for excessively long knockdown chains. By adding a fixed amount of adrenaline, this skill should now add to a Warrior's efficiency without enabling degenerate combinations.

Ritualist

Ancestors' Rage: increased duration to 2 seconds; decreased damage to 5..50; functionality changed to: "For 2 seconds all foes adjacent to target ally are struck for 5..50 lightning damage each second."

Splinter Weapon: decreased damage to 5..30.

For some time now, Ancestors' Rage and Splinter Weapons have been key skills for the Ritualist. These changes are intended to temper these skills without removing them from play. Dividing the damage from Ancestors' Rage into two hits should make it less effective at delivering a sudden spike of damage while still maintaining its role as an efficient source of overall damage. In GvG, Splinter Weapon has continued to enable teams to slaughter NPCs during Victory or Death. Reducing its damage should help mitigate this.

Killed u man · Jun 18, 2008, 06:48 PM // 18:48

Deja Vu much?

dilan155 · Jun 18, 2008, 06:54 PM // 18:54

mmmm, keeping an eye on stuff will they? well see, other than that those more powerful updates weeks back still overshadow most of the stuff in this update, about aura of stability the only time it sees use is in GvG and HA and usually its pretty hard to actully cast it b4 the kd, so that a really pointless update imho

slowerpoke · Jun 18, 2008, 06:56 PM // 18:56

"we are aware of these issues but arent goona do a thing about em"

English Warrior · Jun 18, 2008, 06:56 PM // 18:56

they were implemented long ago

Symeon · Jun 18, 2008, 06:57 PM // 18:57

I'm actually quite impressed. Especially at how they noted some major concerns of the community in the opening paragraph.

But next time ANet, please put these explanations up at the same time as the update.

Spangly_boy · Jun 18, 2008, 06:58 PM // 18:58

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Originally Posted by slowerpoke

"we are aware of these issues but arent goona do a thing about em"

I think 'yet' should be an operative word. We'll soon see if the hammer falls on the ursan curtain.

Tramp · Jun 18, 2008, 06:59 PM // 18:59

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Originally Posted by Spangly_boy

... Some players have objected to changes in the last update to Ether Renewal and Shadow Form. We have not seen any actual negative impact from the Ether Renewal change, but we are still evaluating the high efficiency of Shadow Form farming builds. We will continue to monitor this issue and may make adjustments in the near future...

Anet has a bunch of monkeys with their ears and eyes covered. I guess the motto is: Hear no evil. See no evil. Change no evil.

Ec]-[oMaN · Jun 18, 2008, 07:01 PM // 19:01

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Originally Posted by King Symeon

I'm actually quite impressed. Especially at how they noted some major concerns of the community in the opening paragraph.

Anet has people reading community forums? lawl. Spangly Boy added that stuff in.

White Lies · Jun 18, 2008, 07:01 PM // 19:01

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Originally Posted by Spangly_boy

Some players have objected to changes in the last update to Ether Renewal and Shadow Form. We have not seen any actual negative impact from the Ether Renewal change, but we are still evaluating the high efficiency of Shadow Form farming builds. We will continue to monitor this issue and may make adjustments in the near future.

I lol'ed.
Imo by the time they DO fix SF ectos will be worth nothing (even though u have to wait a long time just to sell some at a ridiculously low price), but until that time i will be taking advantage of it :P
Off topic bit: Rare material trader is now ftw

EDIT: woops just read the other post that wasnt there wen i started writing all this.
Verdict: I fail @ reading :P

Rift · Jun 18, 2008, 07:01 PM // 19:01

Must.. finish.. A/E Sin... before.. nerf >.O

Free Sigils · Jun 18, 2008, 07:04 PM // 19:04

Some actually pretty decent updates.

Aura of Stability is the only wtf?

Spangly_boy · Jun 18, 2008, 07:05 PM // 19:05

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Originally Posted by Ec]-[oMaN

Anet has people reading community forums? lawl. Spangly Boy added that stuff in.

Hey, don't tell the masse's that i'm a propaganda cog

I had wondered why my signet Mes seemed a bit off colour this week tho....

Kinn · Jun 18, 2008, 07:06 PM // 19:06

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but we are still evaluating the high efficiency of Shadow Form farming builds. We will continue to monitor this issue and may make adjustments in the near future

Ah shit. If they're going to make changes, I really, really hope they modify the farm spots (like they added dying nightmares to the UW, or scarabs to the desert), rather than nurf the skill.

I don't give a flying toss about farming - it doesn't affect me in any way, shape, or form that some ranger (or whatever) is running around in the latest fancy trousers - but I like SF the way it is now; it looks like an interesting skill to use in general PvE.

But because of all the whiny, jealous old ecto hoarders crapping themselves that their assets are going down in value, Anet is being pushed into catering to their whinging, simply because they're the vocal majority. What a dissapointment, and a waste.

oliverrr1989 · Jun 18, 2008, 07:08 PM // 19:08

uh oh...looks like id better up my farming game before the nerferise my assassin

Snorph · Jun 18, 2008, 07:09 PM // 19:09

This is what happens when some people, SOME, open their mouths and complain how the game is so unbalanced do to skills. Now because of it we may see the A/E getting nerfed? Like Unsarn?

Abedeus · Jun 18, 2008, 07:11 PM // 19:11

So, could someone just cut out the not needed things and say WHAT was changed?

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Must.. finish.. A/E Sin... before.. nerf >.O

Lol, maybe I'm stupid, but I made sin just for A/E farms and I WANT HIM NERFED. Nerf that crap to hell. That's not normal that I can solo any boss in factions/nightfall/proph and many non-boss foes in all campaigns, UW, FoW and DoA with bonder. NOT NORMAL.

Oh, and using 1 hand, without any effort. Imo make it so glyph recharges 0....4 skills, so at high levels it recharges more, but it can recharge 1 spell from 5-6. At least.

Ec]-[oMaN · Jun 18, 2008, 07:14 PM // 19:14

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

So, could someone just cut out the not needed things and say WHAT was changed?

Nothing changed, just the devs give reasons to the last update.

Richardt · Jun 18, 2008, 07:15 PM // 19:15

Stop me if I'm wrong, but weren't some of those skill changes already implemented in last weeks update?

Rift · Jun 18, 2008, 07:17 PM // 19:17

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Originally Posted by Richardt

Stop me if I'm wrong, but weren't some of those skill changes already implemented in last weeks update?

Yes, this is last week's update. Last time the devs went above and beyond and posted explanations before the update went live, as a preview, and people got their panties in a bunch. So this time they did it after.